The Massassi Temple » Files » Jedi Knight Single Player Level
The first chapter of the Arrow Thieves Trilogy. You play Nox, and you are on a mission. A suspected spy may be in your rebel group. Break into Lord Roye's estate in Westshire and steal his journal. This should give you some information about the suspected spy. While your at it, grab a little something for yourself...500 in loot should do. This single player level is part of the Arrow Thieves story. It contains 2 new weapons ( a bow and arrow and a sword ) , new enemies, and an expansive level set in a manor. This level is set in the dark ages of course. Look for the second chapter...coming soon.Screenshots:
|MrRavenX||Posted: 02/11/02 08:31 Report AbuseArchitecture and textures were great, but other then that I was a bit disapointed.
1) Aiming with the bow was nearly impossible since there were no external crosshairs and the arrows shoot out of your character's lower right torso. External animations frequently mess up and cause your bow to be pointing the wrong way.
2) 1st person was disabled = highly annoying, especially because of the reasons mentioned above. I'm starting to think someone got lazy and didn't want to animate the POV bow (kinda how I felt w/RoX).
3) The doors got almost as many kills as the soldiers and most of them HOMed.
4) Stealth is encouraged, yet nearly impossible due to enemy placement and JKs sensitive AI (though that's not really your fault). I didn't feel like much of a thief.
5) You start with the bryer pistal.
Not bad considering this is JK and the first level in the series, however it's far from being good as well. A lot of these bugs could have (and should have) been fixed before release. A little more time and beta testing would have gone a long way. Rating: 6
|AB_Legion||Posted: 02/11/02 10:45 Report AbuseWeeeeeee fun! :D|
|Darth Vedder||Posted: 02/11/02 11:23 Report AbusemrRavenX: you could have just pressed TAB and use the map as crosshair.|
|Modesitt||Posted: 02/11/02 11:43 Report AbuseThis is, in my eyes, a good, solid, high quality level.
I agree with the words of the previous reviewer - The bow is extremely difficult to aim, in part because of the obscenely short range and the fact I can't go first person with it. I have a hunch there's some sort've locational damage system at work that only applies to the enemy, due to sometimes getting one hit kills with the arrows. The range is so short you have to practically be in -SWORD RANGE- to hit something.
Yes, you have a bryar. It was my best friend.
The ladder was irritating to go up.
The architecture is good.
I felt like I was playing a scavenger hunt when looking for loot and the diary. The Modesitt hates having to play scavenger hunts. Really, really hates playing scavenger hunts.
Like in many levels, the text on my screen did not match up with the spoken dialogue. I mean the guy says one thing, the text says another. Ickys, but the voice/new sounds is cool still.
Personally, I'd prefer the enemies(particulairily the sword guys) take more hits to kill, and for there to be -LESS- of them.
Is it worth the download? Yes. I'm a 56K user, BTW.
I look foward to the next installment in this trilogy.
Oh and one suggestion - You have the arrow 3do's appear when you miss, could you make it so they can be picked up somehow?
One bug I found though, was that sometimes you wouldn't get the message when you picked up healing potions.
I repeat - Download the level. There's some problems, but its still quite fun.
|Frantic||Posted: 02/11/02 15:57 Report AbuseGah nooooO!! you have the bryar?? I fixed that! Musta forgot to update the install thingy...damn. Oh well..ty.|
|Frantic||Posted: 02/11/02 16:24 Report AbuseOh , and RavenX, both me and Bel_Ibis didn't do POV bows for the same reason...there is so mesh deformation in JK, so the animations would look absolutly horrible no matter what.
Short Range? The bow has the same system as thermies...if you hold the button down then look go you can adjust how far it shoots...up to like 5 jkus.
|[D6]Koobie||Posted: 02/11/02 17:34 Report AbuseI didn't download this yet (11 megs, for w00t's sake!), but is there something wrong with my eyes, or are those soldiers actually just jumped out of THIEF? Along with the slightly changed plot, by the way. Hope I'm wrong, though, so be so kind to correct me if that is the case.|
|moronmission||Posted: 02/11/02 17:51 Report AbuseGreat level, but they're right the bow and arrow is pretty hard to aim. I give it an 8.|
|Frantic||Posted: 02/11/02 19:20 Report AbuseHeh, no those guard skins were made by hand by moneyobie, but he did base them off the thief ones...
The next 2 chapters will be drastically different from Thief.
|Novatron||Posted: 02/11/02 20:20 Report AbuseThis Level was terrible. The inital cutscenes were great but the gameplay lacked something. The arrows didnt work and the lightsaber was non existen or the cogging was terrible. I couldn't pick up any "loot" and the ladder was impossible to climb unless you cheated. Improve on the next level you make or just quit right now.|
|Bel Iblis||Posted: 02/11/02 20:21 Report AbuseI don't rate things often or even download JK... I'm a colored lighting only kinda chap... however I loved this level:
-cutscenes archi seemed rushed
-adding a 3rd person crosshair is easy and would have helped some
-adding a little delay to the key markers so enemies hurt you after/during a swing instead of before might have helped
-I ignored the bryar when rating
-the fact that only half the BM's were changed added a bad first impression
But wow! after that things went uphill...
+Great level except for a bunch for the occasional misplaced texture and geo 4...
+I can't say much more then that the level was outstanding...
Have I equalized the +'s and -'s ?
Anyway overal rating was an 8 and thats a compliment from someone tempted to give his own work a 7.
|-(\/)alus-||Posted: 02/11/02 20:39 Report AbuseNice carpet mat. ;)
-(\/)alus- = BaronJedi
|Frantic||Posted: 02/11/02 23:26 Report Abuse"The arrows didnt work and the lightsaber was non existen or the cogging was terrible. I couldn't pick up any "loot" and the ladder was impossible to climb unless you cheated."
What are you talking about? There must be something wrong with your computer..
1.) The arrows did work, you just aren't good enough to hit anything
2.) the sword did work it was weapon 0 and killed everything in about 2 hits. (again, maybe you just suck at JK)
3.) Why couldn't you not pick up any loot? Just get it like a regular item.
4.) It was possible to get up the ladder without cheating, again, your suckiness at JK comes into play.
|Modesitt||Posted: 02/12/02 01:15 Report AbuseWhat happens when you review levels at 3 am?
You don't notice the little things.
Like the bug where when killing citizens, sometimes it spawns a health pack. Might wanna change the 3do's on those.
The red targettng hairs(like what you see with grip) for all enemys was great for spotting them. I can't even begin to describe how many times I have been killed by my own clumbsiness and not being able to see where I was being shot from.
I also smacked myself for not realizing "DOH! Arrows are based on #4 where dets normally are, MAYBE THEY WORK LIKE DETS!" Stupid Mode. Once that was pointed out, I used arrows liberally. Especially for ambushing the enemy - It took some practice but I can finally hit them at a decent range.
Keep in mind I just played this level a second time through. That alone should tell you it can't be -THAT- bad.
|MrRavenX||Posted: 02/12/02 02:26 Report AbuseDarth Vedder: That is absurd and illrelavant.
Frantik: Glad you didn't take the review negatively. I recognize the JK engine is extremely limited and the work you did was great (all things considered), but I know your capable of better. I'm sure the next installment will be much improved.
|felix||Posted: 02/13/02 00:06 Report AbuseFor some reason i have thermal detonators and the lightsaber(except it's invisible) instead of arrows and a sword. Maybe I did something wrong considering no one else has had this complaint. I couldn't pick up the book or money either.
I admire the ladder idea. It's a little difficult to maneuver, but it's much better than some levels i've seen where you can't climb the ladders at all.
Good level overall, i just wish i could play it the way it was meant to be played.
|Frantic||Posted: 02/13/02 00:28 Report AbuseYou meddled with the the installation.
Just run the .exe and then go into your JK folder and run ATC1.bat. the gob should be in JK Folder/atc1
I'm guessing you didn't follow the instructions and just put the gob into episode?
|Lord_Grismath||Posted: 02/13/02 02:26 Report AbuseDear god, we have a thief!
My one qualm, okay, two, was that I couldn't find that stupid book ANYWHERE!!!!!!
Also, I didn't like that ladder, and it killed me once, :P
|Frantic||Posted: 02/13/02 02:30 Report AbuseA hint: Maybe you need to hit the library for some studying...|
|CESC_J_Dawg||Posted: 02/13/02 03:56 Report AbuseNox: Roman goddess of night.....i didnt think you meant that. Or do u mean nox the computer game? Raven dude stop judging peeps this is probably his first lvl so take it ez on frantic.Jeez how would you like i if you made a level and u thought it was all good until some1 posted a comment say 'omg this lvl sucks i cant belive i wasted space on this sry excuse for a lvl'! See have a taste of your own medicine and make your own lvl!|
|Frantic||Posted: 02/13/02 04:36 Report AbuseWhat are you talking about? this is no way my first level...I'm an editing veteran... and Raven was just giving me contructive advice. |
|felix||Posted: 02/14/02 01:05 Report Abusethanks frantic. i expected the .bat file to be in the folder with the gob so i missed it.
|felix||Posted: 02/14/02 02:02 Report Abusethat was great! i just finished playing.
downside: arrows are a little tricky.
upside: once i killed two guys with one arrow!
hey, could you make it so you can hit the gongs? tap the kegs? oh, and what's the point of jail cells that open from the inside?
just a thought.
really hope you finish chapter 2 soon.
|CESC_J_Dawg||Posted: 02/14/02 02:54 Report AbuseSry frantic didnt realise that my bad i thought he was dissing you. LOL sry bout that to u to raven. What were some other lvls that youve done frantic?|
|clan ruthervain||Posted: 02/14/02 21:13 Report AbuseThe best thing since sliced bread!!
THis is a MUST HAVE, completely rejeuvenates the old JK engine, great atmosphere, great weapons (you'll have to get used to the longbow), great sounds, well...
|Dark Luke||Posted: 02/16/02 22:01 Report AbuseFrantik where did you get the sound and music for this level?|
|Krayzie Mofo Guy||Posted: 02/19/02 03:19 Report Abusehow come every time i try to open a door the game crashes?|
|PaladynSword||Posted: 04/05/02 02:50 Report AbuseI liked this level a lot. It's always refreshing to see a new twist on JK, instead of the old find-the-key and rescue Jan or Leia routine. I saw some thought it was copied from Theif, I was thinking more along the lines of Hexen, minus the potions & spells, of course.
I give it an eight, because of two things: One, it had the bryar pistol, which didn't make any sense, and the stupid ladder had to be flown up instead of climbed up. Now don't go saying I suck at JK, it was a royal pain it the patookus!
Just Bring It!
|PaladynSword||Posted: 04/06/02 00:01 Report AbuseAnother thought- who here remembers a multiplayer level from way back called Castle Keep? That's the only other JK level I can think of that had a medival theme. Am I missing any?|
|Lando||Posted: 05/24/02 20:05 Report AbuseA problem (not again:P):
I installed ATC1, and i runed ATC1.bat, and the game didnt started, and "he" sad:
"blablabla... :D Chapter 2 is comin..."
And nothing happend. ???. How can i run the ATC1??? Pls tell me, i must play it :P
|ben||Posted: 08/04/02 23:00 Report AbuseI thought the level is great! I needed to cheat to get past the ladder. I'm giving a 9.|
|wax_beerman||Posted: 08/09/02 15:04 Report Abusereminded me of Thief 2 a bit, wich is good, beacuse thats my favorite game. to bad they never made a multiplayer for that game, but ur mod and lvl is about as close as i will get, to bad u stoped with the mod and the lvl's|
|jrg3_17||Posted: 09/22/02 17:50 Report AbuseOk that was cool, but kinda too easy and monotonous. After you kill the guards, you have to go all over the place to get loot. But this was still a cool level. When can we jk players expect chapter 2?|
|Jedi warrior||Posted: 10/05/02 05:48 Report Abusewhen will the 2nd chapter come out!!!!!!!!!!!|
|SkyXax||Posted: 08/18/03 17:13 Report AbuseAhh dude, that was awesome! Except the bow, that really was annoying. (I had to use Sword) And I didn't feel much like a theif as others said, but I'm REALLY TEMPTED FOR CHAPTER 2!! HURRY UP WITH IT LOL!! I WANNA' PLAY IT!.. I gave you a 9.|
|SkyXax||Posted: 08/18/03 17:26 Report AbuseOh yeah, why are you guys having trouble with the ladder? I got up it just fine. Just jump towards it until you land on it, then look up, and go forward. "Ploop", I'm up! And about the Bryar, Frantic, did you mean to make it a Light Crossbow? It shoots LCB Bolts but looks like the Bryar. Maybe in Chap. 2 you can make it a LCB, or even a HCB. (HBC = Heavy Crossbow) And maybe add a shield? Heh, would be nice. Again, GREAT JOB!!!|
|Corran||Posted: 08/26/03 18:55 Report Abusefor sume reason i had a lightsaber and blaster and the texter was all fussy like all differnt spots of collers|
|Neo_oSiriS||Posted: 09/27/03 00:27 Report AbuseAfter finally making up my mind about downloading the lvl (11 megs) i found i too short. here is my review.
-start with a bryar pistol
-the ladder was a pain in the...........
-no first person
-shooting with the bow is average
+the bryar pistol helped :)
+i got pass the ladder without cheating ;)
+the textures were great
+good enemy placement
Overall i give u a 9/10
|Neo_oSiriS||Posted: 09/27/03 00:29 Report Abuseby too short, i meant that the lvl was short|
|a_person||Posted: 10/06/03 03:31 Report Abusefrantik the lvl looks good but as good as it looks/is (still dl it) u should learn how to take critasism. i mean if some1 actually hassles u in person then thats ok to abuse back but critasism helps u improve. also every1 look for "the new threat" coming out for jk single player that levels not that good but soon very soon will be "the new threat 2" wich at the moment looks alot better than my first. but they wont come till massassi server is bak up. btw the level does look awsome.|
|a_person||Posted: 10/06/03 04:57 Report Abusei just played it and decided to write a review
omg! i was dissapointed. a vteran level editor you say. maybe u ment a veteran at architecture. cause that was it. i hope part 2 is good. but 11 megs. it wasnt much 4 that. im going to have to say how bad everything else was. ok people pointed put the bryar thing. its true. u have a bryer. still i resisted using it to get the fell of the level. but i advise ppl to use it since the bow is impossible. dont use the sword cause 1 enemy hit takes of 30 hp. and u abused that guy for saying the ladder was impossible to climb. while it was possible to climb it was bloody hard. the enemys had crossbows. i want 1. the cutscene was actually the most enjoyable part. the last 1 that is. and while we are on the topic of the ladt cut y did that guy run sideways. now im sorry to say but if this was ur first level it would be an extreamly good level but not if ur a veteran. if u load an arrow the player runs sideways (u seem to that frantik.) and y u call it frantik studios. if u r a studio its not a very good 1. but dont get me wrong the architecture was fabulous the textures were great but im just saying that really is about it.
now to list the extreamly bad errors u made:
1-y do so many ppl get off that beds r metal. dont make it metal. all u hav to do is go to thing flags and flag it as earth. that sounds like standing on a bed.
now the really big huge error:
2-wen u move the throne it goes straight into the ground.
NOW THE WORST ERROR OF THE DAY.
3-when u press the locked doors it doesnt say locked it says cog_01001. u obviously dont no how to fix that. so i will tell u.
in jed press f8. then press edit strings. the where it says key write: cog_01001
where it says string. write somthing like locked!!
if u dont do this its just really gay. still the level is worth the 11 meg dl. but the only reason i keep it is because it has its own ms doc program so it doesnt waste space in my episode directory.
but if u improve on wat i said chapter to should be quite good.
i gave a 7.
|a_person||Posted: 10/16/03 05:26 Report Abuseok frantic ive desided to apologise. my comment was harsh. i was in a bad mood that day. ur level was good and i cant wait for the second part. just fix those errors i mentoined and itl be great.|
|joe of loath||Posted: 05/12/05 14:46 Report AbusePretty good map! the swords were a bit harsh on me though (ouch), and 3rd person feels unrealistic.
|/Darth.Rayce\||Posted: 06/26/05 18:10 Report AbuseNice level. I liked the architecture and the new enemies. Certain parts were a little messed up, though, like the ladder leading out of the well. But in any case, it's great!|
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