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Backstab Reduction

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This mod reduces the damage done by the backstab. It should help to eliminate the overuse of this, as well as the pull and stab combo employed frequently in multiplayer.


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Posted: 2002-06-01 1:23 p.m.   Report Abuse
I like the idea but I suck so i need as much bacstab as i can get. Anyway good job. 8
Darth Chimera
Posted: 2002-06-01 1:30 p.m.   Report Abuse
Well, it's about time someone nerfed the backstab, i give it a 9, just because lordvader is the first one to make this.
Posted: 2002-06-01 2:20 p.m.   Report Abuse
Well, in my openion this is dumb, its reduceses the "realism" of what a back stab is, if we got really real here a back stab would cut a hole through a guys stomach, and I dont see it being over used in game. But since it's an openion I wont rate it.
Posted: 2002-06-01 2:33 p.m.   Report Abuse
Yes I agree back stab is over used, but it isn't impossible to dodge.. and I agree with another statement, There would be a hole in your gut. Backstab and the 2 back swings are a chalange of the game, Yes they are over used.... hugely overused by some people. It is easy enough too see the move most times so this mod isn't really needed... a mod that makes it harder to use those moves might be nice.
Posted: 2002-06-01 4:02 p.m.   Report Abuse
I most certainly agree that a backstab would cut a hole in the stomach, but there are two reasons I still believe the damage should be lowered as I have done. First of all, sometimes realism must be sacraficed for gameplay. Far too many people overuse the backstab. Anyone, regardless of skill, can easily pull and backstab, which is almost always an instant kill. Additionally, in "reality," a backstab would be blockable.
Posted: 2002-06-01 4:10 p.m.   Report Abuse
But, then again, there is always a balance. Force Absorb works quite well against people who like to pull/push. Too bad too many darkies out there think the Light Side is weak.
Posted: 2002-06-01 5:26 p.m.   Report Abuse
I've been waiting for such a server patch! cheers! I've been playing on our 8 public servers and ppl use the backstab too much, i've even got gamers saying they can't play with it and don't want to play nemore. I took the step a few days ago of disabling pull to prevent pull/backslash. Now, if my testing goes ok, I'll be able to put it back on and people will be much happier!

Many Thanks!
Posted: 2002-06-01 6:11 p.m.   Report Abuse
i give it a 5... if it was a real lightsaber just one backstab and the opponent would be toast... reducing the power of it just makes it boring.
Posted: 2002-06-01 6:13 p.m.   Report Abuse
and besides there is such a thing as respawn...
Posted: 2002-06-01 6:58 p.m.   Report Abuse
Well, the idea is decent and yes, the backstab is overused. It is stupid that ur better off fighting with ur back towards your enemy in this game. However, I think that the other swings should be given more damage rather than the backstab being nerfed. I mean really-- when was the last time you killed someone quickly with a normal attack? I give it a 7 for the idea, but it would be great if this was part of a total saber fighting mod.
Posted: 2002-06-01 8:36 p.m.   Report Abuse
I find it funny that so many people are insulting this mod without actually playing a lot of MP and knowing that the backstab is VERY cheap. How does this make it more boring? When everyone just uses pull then backstab, it's not only really stupid looking, but gets REALLY OLD, REALLY FAST. With this, saber duels are longer and more intense (especially if GHOUL 2 is on!) and they are much more like the movies.
Posted: 2002-06-01 11:19 p.m.   Report Abuse
I play JO a lot, and yes the attack gets lame, But it is not impossible to dodge, and they need to expose thier back to hit you, attack them from the side, they can't defend against it, you are out of range of the attack... This mod isn't needed on the whole, just think. Just pull off DFA or another high power attack, they die and don't see it comming.
Posted: 2002-06-01 11:20 p.m.   Report Abuse
About force pull and backstab, Don't play force if it's such a big deal....
Posted: 2002-06-01 11:47 p.m.   Report Abuse
Lot's of talk about how a stab would put a hole in a guys gut, ok, so we wanna talk about realism here? How about all the other swings? They are all just as if not deadlier. Any slash to the head or torso would also resort to a hole. Should we turn up the damage on all saber swings to the point were any contact with the saber is extremely damaging? Frankly I don't know how that would be fun but it certainly would be realistic. While we're at it, why don't we remove the force powers?

As it has been said, sometimes realism has to be sacraficed for gameplay, and I agree with anyone who thinks this is a deserving time.
Posted: 2002-06-01 11:59 p.m.   Report Abuse
Yea fine, But we are talking about moves that are basically for traps. Fall into the trap and die. I hope this mod doesn't catch on, it's a good idea and all... But it takes a lot of chalange out of the game. And no i don't use the back attacks, I just enjoy a challange. Force games this would be good I guess, I avoid force because I see it as nothin but gripping / pushing / pulling. To me a saber fight is more fun then getting thrown around.
Posted: 2002-06-02 2:30 a.m.   Report Abuse
Haven't had time to try thgis mod out, so what would really interest me is *how* much the backstab damage has been reduced.

I gave it a 9 because backstab needed tweaking and it's nice to see such a Mod as one of the first source mods available.

Now what I would like to see is a server side mod that take this to the next step:
-reduce the backstab damage
-reduce kick damage (or better but certainly harder to do: tweak it otherwise, like: only damage(less) AND push enemy back (not down) / only kick enemy down but NO damage / possibly the best sollution: make it harder to do)
-reduce throw damage / make it take up more force power to execute. the actual balance of this (how *much* tweaking should be done) might have to be tested. (nice would be something that makes it harder to hit people who are lying on the ground with a throw - it's getting abused as well)

Sure I'd rather see a patch, but god know when and how.

Sure I know some people will come and cry about realism and whatever, but lets face it: No matter what your *personal* styles or preferences are; the game IS unbalanced and certain moves are overpowered (in comparison to the other moves, not(!) realism. its a game). Myself for example, I use throw AND kick a lot during my duels, and even *I* want them to be tweaked. (no, I don't backstab. it's silly)Don't have the time and possibly the knowledge to do this myself I guess. :/
Posted: 2002-06-02 5:53 a.m.   Report Abuse
Ok, here we go.
Either go with an all out one hit kill lightsaber mod, any slash, any style, or leave the game as it was. I have been playing JO since it's debut, and while many cheap newbs use the push/backslash combo, there are many other cheap combos that can counter it. I have notr been annoyed by this combo, b/c the user usually gets no respect, and within minutes is voted to be kicked. Although I would like to know where the damage file is...lordvader?
Posted: 2002-06-02 7:44 a.m.   Report Abuse
There is no damage file, I edited the source code for game and cgame a bit. To anyone who does not believe pull+backstab can become repetitive and extremely annoying: I'd be happy to demonstrate it to you. E-mail me at and we'll set up a duel.
Posted: 2002-06-02 6:36 p.m.   Report Abuse
Lordvader is right. You most certantly do NOT have to expose your back to be backstabbed, it's very easy for someone to pull you over and stab you, and they can do it far faster than you can get up.

Now you say we should just play on no Force servers. Well where's the fun in that? Half the point of this game is so you can use the Force, not have to avoid it. Now people say to just use Absorb. Well that's a pain in the ass, many people like playing dark, and shouldn't have to give that up because of some move that was forgotten about before the 1.03 was released (yes they did actually forget to fix it, I talked to Raven about it).
Posted: 2002-06-02 6:40 p.m.   Report Abuse
All the community gamers here want it on the servers, so it's going on :)
Posted: 2002-06-04 10:52 a.m.   Report Abuse
I gave it a 1. In the patch, they weakened the lunge, and improved the backstab. You then nerf the backstab. So, what does Light stance have now? Jack all.
Posted: 2002-06-05 10:06 a.m.   Report Abuse
I hate this mod. Not only is it a waste of time that could've been used on other things, when reducing power of the backstab, it also reduces power to an attack similar to the backstab which is a real attack from The Phantom Menace.
Posted: 2002-06-05 10:20 a.m.   Report Abuse
I am not usually a victim to the backstab. Most of the time i die when i am force pulled to the ground and then smoked by the enemies saber. (that is a REALLY CHEAP way to kill someone and it shows that you have no skill and cant even hit a moving target)
Bounty Hunter 4 hire
Posted: 2002-06-05 2:14 p.m.   Report Abuse
What we need is a patch that let's you get up a little faster. Nice idea I hate those cheap moves especially grip or push on boards entirely composed of catwalks.
Bounty Hunter 4 hire
Posted: 2002-06-05 2:15 p.m.   Report Abuse
Although I can deal w/ those.
Posted: 2002-06-06 9:29 p.m.   Report Abuse
lordvader if your around could you possibly get in contact with me, i've been trying to e-mail you but your account appears to be full. I can be reached at
Posted: 2002-06-07 8:57 a.m.   Report Abuse
I give it a 7. Good job, but don't like the idea, as I use backstab a lot and makes it a lot funner when your opponent knows how to do it good also.
Posted: 2002-06-18 8:17 a.m.   Report Abuse
I give this a 10 because backstab is far too over used. As for you people who think light stances has no power now, it is great in duels for the lunge move. The lunge is awsome, if someone is trying to land a DFA red stance you can lunge under them, it does major damage. Not 1 hit KO like you people who think this is a bad patch and have to rely on 1 hit killing moves, but this is for skilled players that want to have fun. This is a game to have fun in, not kill kill kill, all you people are the worst because i killed you all with a cheap move hahaha! And besides, if your still cheap fools, use pull+backstab anyways, we will probably only be left with a little health. Then you can do it again and kill us with 2 hit moves. Theres your cheap combo.
Posted: 2002-06-21 12:08 a.m.   Report Abuse
This mod gets a 10 for sure. I have played this game since its release and ever since this backstab fad became popular, I found myself playing less and less. There is just no fun in watching a cheap newbie rack up the kills (I strictly refuse to backstab) while I end up near last place. With this fix, it is time to separate the newbies from the vets. Great job!

Also, I agree that realism should be sacrificed for gameplay. Running around and killing people with one swipe wouldn't be any fun. The health system is meant to make battles last longer (like in the movies). The main idea of a game is to have fun. One hit kills ruin the fun.

(For a while there I thought I was the only one against backstabbing. Glad to see others on my side.)
Posted: 2002-06-24 6:55 p.m.   Report Abuse
If any of you people who think that a back stab would just "put a whole through your gut" you are quite ignorant. You chances of landing a hit with a sword, while not facing the opponent are so little, that its something ridiculus to even try in real life. The real point of the back stabs where, was to provide away for someone to get out if cornered, not use as a primary offense. So really, it is a bit more realistic, because if you just "happened" to land a hit in real life, the chances of it doing mortal damage would be inexhistant. Which is funny, because in Kendo, you are not even scored unless your hit would provide mortal damage. This mod is a good improvement. Also see U1.04 if you are tired of backstab.

Posted: 2002-07-04 3:52 p.m.   Report Abuse
I give it an 8.

Anyone who plays MP regularly has no doubt had a few run-ins with 'backstab monkeys.' Nerfing backstab may sacrifice some realism, but it's a sacrifice I'm more than willing to accept in the name of superior and balanced gameplay.

To those who insist that this mod will make the game 'boring': develop some actual skill. Maybe then you'll be able to function without pull/backstab, and your games will be that much more exciting.
Posted: 2002-07-09 7:38 a.m.   Report Abuse
I agree that any slash with a "Lightsaber" which is pure light being compressed so much that it could vaporize anything, would easily tear any limb off of a human. If you wanna be seriously realistic, why not have a mod that "delimb's" someone? if you attack their right arm, they are disabled by using their right arm and have to switch lightsaber to left arm, and same for legs, now what if there becomes a problem with people using force throw and delegging some people? who knows? that might be a problem when we get to it. I would like to see some delegging but still fighting. Fight till your unable to do so. Of course a hit to the head would be an instant kill of course. and so would be to the torso. Now that would be skill! Trying to torture someone. Wouldn't you agree?
Posted: 2003-03-19 5:49 p.m.   Report Abuse
Hmm, well. I personally don't like this mod. Although, I will say that I have never run into anyone who over uses backstab... I havent been playing a lot recently, so its the new n00b tactic eh? I can see the reasons for wanting a mod like this but I don't like people messing with the game balance at all. I think they designers did a pretty good job with how it all fits together. I didn't rate it however because again, I havent really run into people over using backstab and from what I've heard, it can be a real piss off, so, I give my opinion not a rating. Theres my two cents.

Posted: 2003-05-08 6:43 p.m.   Report Abuse
One more thing... I've found that in any online game you play theres always a cheap attack that someone is going to over use, you just need to figure out how to beat it, even if its just as simple as using your l33t skills to kick thier ass or fighting fire with fire. *shrugs*
Posted: 2003-08-11 1:19 a.m.   Report Abuse
Um, yeah, this mod was to fix the problems in version 1.03, which were fixed in 1.04...
Posted: 2003-08-11 1:20 a.m.   Report Abuse
...and my comment is like six months late...moving on...
Posted: 2005-02-05 11:54 a.m.   Report Abuse
I also like the backstab...i'm not gonna rate for my opinion, but i agree with poster num 3

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